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Does God Exist? — The Philosophical Argument March 14, 2006

Posted by June in Agnosticism, Artist Thinker Articles, Atheism, Deism, Other, Philosophy, Religion.
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Last time I talked about the myth of relativism and the theory of a gray world. With that cleared up, we can now see that there is indeed such a thing as universal truth. So what is it? How do we know; and who gets to decide what it is?

There is much scientific evidence for a Creator; but we cannot neglect the importance of the philosophical proof, which is what I will maintain as the focus of this article. The fact of the matter is that it is important for the survival and general contentment of mankind that there be a set of rules for all to follow. Not only is it important for basic person to person interaction, but also to justify the viability of principles that government is based on and the laws that it creates.

So who in this world is wise enough to set these standards up? If there is such a person, how could we possibly know that this is the real truth? What if he's/she's wrong? After all, even the wisest of individuals is only a human who is prone to mistakes and failures. Charles Darwin, a man revered by many, promoted racism. Just take a look at the full title of his book Origin of Species:

"On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life"

Of course, in a godless world, racism could very well be perfectly fine. After all, everything is relative.

Even some men I have admired have been quite racist. Much to my great sadness, Theodore Roosevelt was part of the eugenics movement, which promoted the extinction of "inferior races" by aborting the babies of or sterilizing black people. (I just have to smile at the thought that these eugenics people must be rolling in their graves at the fact that people like me exist. We are truly the abomination that they feared.)

So who does get to decide?

There could only be one being who has enough wisdom to make rules that will be to the benefit of the world; and that is the One who created it.

If there truly is no God, then we are all doomed to chaos.

And this can't just be the deist god who created the world then left it to its own devices. Such a god would have left this world in complete and total chaos, as well, because relativism would have reigned supreme. As I have shown, it is possible to discern the existence of God merely through some simple logic.
Thus, truth and good could be defined as the will of God. That turns us to our other dilemma:

How do we really know what God's will is?

June

Related Articles
Part 1: Gray World: Why Is Murder Wrong?
Part 2: Does God Exist? — The Philosophical Argument
Part 3: God's Will Revealed?

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1. virgil - May 1, 2006

a romanian philosopher, Petre Tutea, said christianism is absolute, the only true, complete totalitary system, it covers everything; if you question God, you’re in doubt then, and therefore not a true believer, he sais. religion is dogma, you’re supposed to take it ‘as is’. you either believe without questioning or… but then, in his dialogues with Emil Cioran, he sais something like “Cioran is closer to God than most of us are”, even though Cioran is an atheist and an iconoclast, because he questions God, he has an intimate conversation with God, trying to prove its nonexistence (he denies Him but constantly refers to Him and in a continuous search for His non-existence).

I’m not a believer anyway, but I wanted to add some stuff…
thanks for liking my cats 🙂

2. June - May 2, 2006

First of all, this comment is in the wrong place. It should be posted after my article God's Will Revealed?, which is more geared towards a case for Christianity, since this particular article is technically a general one referring to God, period, no matter which one it is.

Like I said in the above article, is that really what the Bible says? Or is that your perception of what the Bible says based upon what you have been told and based upon your bias? Do you know?

Gideon questioned God and asked for signs over and over again; and God complied. Other times, such as when the Pharisees asked Jesus for a sign, God has simply rebuked the person for asking for something so wicked or punished them. What was the difference?
Well, as what Jesus said to the Pharisees suggests, the hearts of the latter are ones filled with evil, not a true desire for the truth. And God would know which are which.

And, yeah, your cats are adorable. 😀

June

3. Jonathan Gardner - May 3, 2006

June,

On the question of God’s existence and will, there are answers, and you can take the steps from ignorance to belief to actual knowledge. (Take no offense–we are all ignorant on this earth, even the most educated among us.)

If you’re looking for philosophical arguments, then I suggest you read some of C. S. Lewis’ work, such as “On Miracles” or “Mere Christianity”. He addresses the philosophical arguments quite easily and solidly.

Unfortunately, God doesn’t want you to know logically that he exists and his true nature. That is, it is a good thing, but not the best thing.

The best thing is to come to know God for yourself, personally, and completely. “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” John 17:3.

The only way you can do this is to start knocking on the door, and really allow Him to be a part of your life. You do this by personal, sincere, and humble prayer. Ask Him to reveal Himself and His will to you, and He will.

I know faith is power, faith being a belief in a principle and then action according to that principle. I know because I have tried and I have received my answers, and am still getting them today. You will find plenty of references to the principles that will allow you to draw closer to God throughout the Old and New Testaments. Once you believe that these will actually, really work for you like it did for the others, then you can start doing it, and then you can start to feel the power of that principle take hold in your life.

The principles are simply, to pray, to fast, to hunger, to thirst, to knock, to open, to receive, and to be as a little child.

Matthew 7:
7Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

8For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

9Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?

10Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?

11If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

On Gideon, he wasn’t doubting God, he was asked to ask for a sign by God. Gideon already had faith, enough faith to risk his own life standing up for what was right. It was a way to testify to the people of Israel that God was really with Gideon and not the false, dumb, powerless, and dead gods they were worshipping.

4. June - May 4, 2006

I believe that God would not have us believe in Him through ignorance. While it is not everything to know that God exists, it is the first step to truly knowing God. It is the first step to having a relationship with God. Faith through ignorance leaves room for false prophets to come in and deceive you away from God. Many kids today turn from God because the world seemingly has better answers. To them, Christianity is for ignorant hacks who blindly follow the teachings of dead men. The children of Christians are easily led astray because their parents fail to teach them discernment, fail to show them the proof that God exists and that Jesus is alive, fail to strengthen faith with knowledge.

Proverbs 8:1-11:
"1 Does not wisdom call out? Does not understanding raise her voice? 2 On the heights along the way, where the paths meet, she takes her stand; 3 beside the gates leading into the city, at the entrances, she cries aloud: 4 "To you, O men, I call out; I raise my voice to all mankind. 5 You who are simple, gain prudence; you who are foolish, gain understanding. 6 Listen, for I have worthy things to say; I open my lips to speak what is right. 7 My mouth speaks what is true, for my lips detest wickedness. 8 All the words of my mouth are just; none of them is crooked or perverse. 9 To the discerning all of them are right; they are faultless to those who have knowledge. 10 Choose my instruction instead of silver, knowledge rather than choice gold, 11 for wisdom is more precious than rubies, and nothing you desire can compare with her. "

I have not read C.S. Lewis, no; but I am searching for my own arguments. I am searching for understanding my own way while taking into account the arguments of others. This is mine, not C.S. Lewis's. These words are mine. These thoughts are mine. They are not merely parroted ideas.

If this isn't good enough for you…, well, I guess, so be it. There isn't much I can do to force my intellect to expand any faster than it does.

As for Gideon:

Judges 6:14-17:
"14 The Lord turned to him and said, "Go in the strength you have and save Israel out of Midian's hand. Am I not sending you?" 15 "But Lord," Gideon asked, "how can I save Israel? My clan is the weakest in Manasseh, and I am the least in my family." 16 The Lord answered, "I will be with you, and you will strike down all the Midianites together." 17 Gideon replied, "If now I have found favor in your eyes, give me a sign that it is really you talking to me."

Judges 6:36-40:
"36 Gideon said to God, "If you will save Israel by my hand as you have promised– 37 look, I will place a wool fleece on the threshing floor. If there is dew only on the fleece and all the ground is dry, then I will know that you will save Israel by my hand, as you said." 38 And that is what happened. Gideon rose early the next day; he squeezed the fleece and wrung out the dew–a bowlful of water. 39 Then Gideon said to God, "Do not be angry with me. Let me make just one more request. Allow me one more test with the fleece. This time make the fleece dry and the ground covered with dew." 40 That night God did so. Only the fleece was dry; all the ground was covered with dew. "

God did not tell Gideon to ask for a sign. Gideon was nervous and unsure. So he asked God for signs to reassure himself. All three times the signs were for Gideon's assurance alone. Nowhere does it say that Gideon touted the signs as proof to the people that God was with him, especially not the first sign.

5. Joseph - May 21, 2006

May I refer to anyone looking for the philisophical and doctrinal proof of Christianity to please read the works of Francis Schaeffer. His books are not blind praise of Christianity, but offer real, substantial PROOF of Christianity and its totality on life and the universe. May I recommend the books: True Christianity, A Christian Manifesto, The God Who is There, He is There and He is Not Silent, and Back to Freedom and Dignity. These books have been most helpful.

6. Michael - June 5, 2006

How are you supposed to have a relationship with an absent father? There must be another in the relationship to make it real. Either God does not exist, or it he does and is too busy or doesn't care to have relationship with you. Pick you’re answer! If you picked the latter you’re delusional like the b*** son that loves the father he never known. It is possible for him to have already met his father out in the world for real and quite literally have hated him and not knows it. In this philosophical case the boy is in a paradox of emotions. However it is not really a paradox because the belief that he loved his father is a delusion. Thus his feeling of hate for the man is only real. The other feelings are for a man that does not exist anywhere but in his mind. The same applies to God.

God holds the keys to heaven up over us denying entrance to anybody whom disagrees with him. All the while God claims his love to be unconditional yet he makes no physical effort to support it. Then claims it’s our fault because we deny him therefore we can’t hear him. God’s only pseudo effort is a pretense. Meaning is follows.

Well God and his illustrious heaven are like the father holding his love over his son at price. The price being that his only son performs to his demands, and his dreams. Meanwhile the son falsely believes that he must live for his father love and approval. Heaven is pretty much equivalent to God’s approval. Are we not told to live our own life? Not to let other live it through us?

To the point

• You can’t know god because he is an unavailable
• Seeking heaven is like seeking the approval of a complete stranger. You should ask yourself why you care what they think.
• Make no mistake I’m not angry with god, I simple have no faith that gods exist.

7. June - June 6, 2006

I don't know why both of your posts were marked for approval instead of being posted directly. I'm thinking it's the length of the post. In any case, please try not using any curse words. I like to keep this as clean as I possibly can. The word "illegitimate" is perfectly fine.

Why do people always post in this one when they are supposed to post in the one about God's will? This article is general dealing solely with the existence of God. That could also mean a cold being who stays off at a distance and only allows men to live in this life.

In any case, if you really believe this, then you have not understood a single solitary thing about Christianity; and, sadly, you have not experienced the relationship that you can have.

I could go into detail; but I think that it would be more beneficial to write a whole article on it. But, of course, I have other topics planned before that. So many topics; so little time.

What I will say is this: God does not have to be kind to exist. God is kind; but He doesn't have to be. There could be a sad reality where the being who created this world is one who created it solely for his own amusement.

8. Randy the Atheist - June 13, 2007

For those of you who profess a belief in a “one true god”, your belief is accidental – a function of time, geography and circumstance. Had you been born in the first dynasties of Egypt, you would be worshipping the “true gods” and “true dieties” en vogue during those eras. Likewise, if you were born only a few centuries ago in the Pacific islands, you would be in tune with their systems of “true ritual”. There would be no one to tell you otherwise because you would be born much too early in a land much too far away. Basically, you would have been born in the wrong place at the wrong time.

WHAT WOULD YOU BE
if you were born
ONE THOUSAND YEARS AGO
on the deserts of the American Southwest
into the legendary tribes of

T H E A P A C H E I N D I A N S

Would you be a Muslim? a Christian? a Terrorist? a Crusader?
Would you be a Jew? a Hebrew? a Canaanite? or a Semite?

No. You would be an Apache Indian of the North American continent and you would be practicing the only beliefs known to you – Shamanism.

Would you somehow feel betrayed or forsaken by the Judaistic gods?

No. The Apache peoples did not yet know of such dieties or religions because they were not yet introduced and taught. You cannot come to the same beliefs of the above religions by simply looking at the rocks and the trees. It must be taught to you by others who were taught in much the same way.

Would you live in despair and destitution because you worshipped other dieties?

No. You would live in one of the most historic cultures of the North American continent. Life would go on as usual as with any other civlization throughout the world. Contact with peoples from the other continent would not occur until some six hundred years into your future. Oddly, you would have a rather beautiful and peaceful lifestyle until the Judaistic beliefs became imposed on your decendants by the hostile Spaniards.

Would you feel that you would be going to hell for not being baptised?

No. Baptism would be a very alien ritual to your decendants. Hell would also be a very alien concept since death was believed to mark the end of your existence. To the Apache, the idea of an afterlife would be as silly as the idea of salvation as these were concepts invented by men on an entirely different continent with an entirely different history.

Would you feel that you were born

in the WRONG PLACE
at the WRONG TIME????

THE APACHE INDIANS
850 A.D. – present

The Apache Indians came from northwest Canada around 850 AD. They settled in the three desert regions of the American southwest and did a lot of trading with the neighboring Pueblo Indians who were already inhabiting the areas for many centuries prior. The Apache were skilled hunters of buffalo but they sometimes practiced a unique method of limited farming.

In pre-colonial Apache culture, polygamy was practiced when economic circumstances permitted and marriage could be terminated easily by either party due to their nomadic lifestyle. Religion was a fundamental part of Apache life – a type of Shamanism that was practiced for many thousands of years. Among the best known supernatural beings in the Apache world were the Gaans, protective mountain spirits that could be called upon to do good or evil. Present-day beliefs is a mixture of traditional Apache beliefs, witchcraft, and contemporary United States religions.

First contact with the Apache was made by the hostile Spanish, who invaded and penetrated the territory in the late 1500s. Their northward drive disrupted ancient Apache connections to trading groups that resided in the southern areas of the Great Plains. When New Mexico became a Spanish colony in 1598, hostilities increased exponentially – pushing the Apache out of their homelands and into the enemy territories of Spanish Mexico. An influx of Comanche into traditional Apache territory in the early 1700s forced the Apache to further move beyond the range of their main food source, the buffalo. The displaced groups then began their infamous raids on food supplies and caravans and accompanied much of the American westward movement towards the Pacific being forever engraved in the early episodes of the history of the United States of America.

Cheers ~
Randy the Atheist

9. Marilyn - August 5, 2007

you are insane!! May God bless your soul.

10. Marilyn - August 5, 2007

I was speaking to Randy the Aethist

11. Plum Ducky - December 30, 2007

Now there’s an educated man (Randy the
Atheist) with an accurate, realistic perspective! Kudos to you sir, Randy the Atheist!


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